I have been trying to find out when exactly did the Government asked Her Majesty if they could change the Oath of Allegiance for the elected Police Commissioners? When was this debated in Parliament? And when was the vote taken in Parliament? So far, I have drawn a blank. I have failed to find any changes to the Oath on the Royal Web-site.
I am aware the Government alone cannot change the Oath of Allegiance, for that would be contrary to the Oaths of Allegiance they make themselves. In fact all MP’s and Members of Government so swear allegiance to the British Crown before they may take up their seats in parliament even though the people have freely elected them.
The oath for the proposed elected Police Commissioners HAD TO BE CHANGED because the position of “elected Police Commissioners” is open to the members of the European Union and of course, none would want to swear allegiance to the British Crown. I find it difficult to accept a person from France, Spain, Greece Italy or Germany for instance wanting to become an elected Police Commissioner here in the United Kingdom never mind any British person here in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland voting FOR a foreigner to take up the position, which makes it all the harder to understand exactly WHY there would be a need for the change of the Oath to the British Crown. I have the feeling also that the (real British) Police would go on strike if a foreigner became an elected Police Commissioner. (Want a bet?) When would the next time to change the Oath come about-until there is no such need because temporary MP’s whose sworn and true allegiance to the British Crown is now no more? Completely gone and replaced by an Oath to the European Union perhaps? There was absolutely no need to change the Oath for elected Police Commissioners at all, if only British people had been allowed to put themselves forward.
The position is also open to members of the Commonwealth, who we regard as “family” for they have been constant and true friends that came to our side and fought along-side our forces in the last war. Greater love has no man that is prepared to lay down their lives for their fellow-man. Our Queen is also their Queen along with Allegiance to the Crown so there was absolutely no need to change the Oath of Allegiance for any member of the Commonwealth. However, I do understand that some wish to withdraw from the Commonwealth now that it is changing somewhat since Mr Cameron and Mr Hague attended that last Commonwealth meeting and required members to sign an “agreement” etc. Considering the Commonwealth has existed for many years, why change anything now?
As MP’s step forward in the House of Commons to place their hand on the Bible and swear the Oath, that Oath ends with the words , "ACCORDING TO LAW". This is the Executive ECHOING the Queen's own Coronation Oath. There are TWO OATHS operative here, to protect the nation and the people. The Queen's oath, and the oath of her Executive to her. They are interlocking oaths to respect the RULE OF LAW at all times.
All members of the Police Force here in the UK swear allegiance to the British Crown. Why then change the OATH for an elected Police Commissioner?
All members of the British Police Force swear the Oath of Allegiance to the Crown. The elected Police Commissioner Oath. I....."do solemnly and sincerely promise that I will serve all the people of Police Force Area in the office of Police and Crime Commissioner without fear or favour". Yet these elected people will be in a position where those in the Police Service, swear allegiance to the British Crown which indicates that they are part of a British service, yet the elected Police Commissioner has the right to dismiss a British serving Police Officer-no matter how high the rank or how many years service he/she has served, and how many years they has served to get to any high rank, and whose sworn allegiance is where it should be TO THE BRITSIH CROWN.
For a British Government changing the true Oath of Allegiance to the very Crown many have given their lives for to protect and keep their British way of life, is an absolute betrayal of all the people here in the United Kingdom. All this at the whim of foreigners in the EU that want complete control of this our Country. The changing of the Oath for the elected Police Commissioners to allow foreigners to such a high rank on the instructions of the EU through the EU’s Localism Act, (The latter also on the Council of Europe’s page) when their solemn Oath of Allegiance prevents exactly that happening is –well words cannot describe for me, for I and my husband went through the last WAR to prevent anything like this ever happening here in the United Kingdom again. I believe it all may end in yet another war, and if none in Government can see the unrest on the continent of Europe they surely will be woken up one day to find they have no country left to protect.
The Oath of Allegiance was changed for the proposed elected Police Commissioners because ANYONE FROM ANY OF THE EU MEMBER STATES COULD ALSO APPLY TO BECOME AN ELECTED POLICE COMMISSIONER here in the UK. That is why government had to get rid of the Police Authorities and replace the with elected Police Commissioners. All in the EU Localism Act eagerly put through by Prime Minister Cameron. Will he get rid of the word “ELECTED” one day and just APPOINT”?
In all the advertisements re elected Police Commissioners not once was this explained. For in NOT making that clear to the people of this Country before the recent election of PCC's, the coalition Government really did let the people down, they betrayed the people they are supposed to serve. Even our MP’s and Government’s sworn allegiance is to the British Crown and they alone could not, I suggest, lawfully change the Oath of Allegiance because THEIR sworn Oath that they make before they may take up their seats in the House of Commons does not allow it. They made up a kind of pledge yet it is indeed listed as an “OATH”, yet the term "Police Commissioner" indicates that they are part of a British Police Service particularly as they apparently have the right to dismiss a high ranking serving British Police Officer.
The Papers today have been reporting about the lack of “DEMOCRACY” for so FEW people bothering to go and elect from those names that are on ballot papers.
The only way anyone could “have a say against these proposals”, could either stay away-which many did- or like myself, go to vote by placing a great CROSS from corner to corner of the ballot paper, in biro rather than in the pencil provided. This was “democracy” at its best. The people had no other way but to stay away, yet such is that lack of DEMCRACY our Government and many in the press didn’t even recognise it.
From the Home Office site, Police and Crime Commissioners to swear an oath of impartiality
The elected Police Commissioner Oath. The full oath: Full Name and Place do solemnly and sincerely promise that I will serve all the people of Police Force Area in the office of Police and Crime Commissioner without fear or favour. I will act with integrity and diligence in my role and, to the best of my ability, will execute the duties of my office to ensure that the police are able to cut crime and protect the public. I will give a voice to the public, especially victims of crime and work with other services to ensure the safety of the community and effective criminal justice. I will take all steps within my power to ensure transparency of my decisions, so that I may be properly held to account by the public. I will not seek to influence or prevent any lawful and reasonable investigation or arrest, nor encourage any police action save that which is lawful and justified within the bounds of this office.
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The Police Officer’s oath. "I, .. .. of .. .. do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law."
They deliberately leave out the Oath to our Monarch, the Queen. So ANYONE from any Country may become an elected Police Commissioner in the United Kingdom.
Whether the proposed change re the Oath of Allegiance thought up for elected Police Commissioners is unlawful, for the true Oath is lodged in various Constitutional Documents one of which is the Declaration and Bill of Rights 1688/9. The Oath of Allegiance has its origins in the Magna Carta, signed on 15 June 1215. I leave that to the Experts or High Courts in the United Kingdom.
Did the Queen give her approval to this casting aside the Oath of Allegiance to the British Crown for elected Police Commissioners? I simply do not know.
Under oaths of allegiance, in various long standing constitutional Documents makes very clear that this country CANNOT be ruled by ANY foreign power “No foreign Prince, person, Prelate, State, or Potentate, hath or ought to have any Jurisdiction, Power, Superiority, Pre eminence, or Authority Ecclesiastical or Spiritual within this Realm.” Yet British Government are implementing EU orders that all of us here in the United Kingdom have to obey-at least until we are set free one way or another, from foreign rule. Also added two codicils at the end of the Bill of Rights “Any amendments to the Bill after the 23 October 1689 shall be void and not lawful, and this bill is for all time”. This law and its Oath are not subject to Parliament because they were given to Parliament by the People whose WILL is supreme over Parliament. This means Parliament may not allow any part of the aforementioned Oath to be breached side-stepped or ignored. This Bill of Rights precludes and effectively forbids Parliament from passing any Bill contrary to our Common law Constitution and questionable also, is the like of the European Communities Act 1972. The Treaty of Rome or any other European legislation which gives them any say at all in the governance of the UK. It also precludes Parliament from passing any laws contrary to the spirit of this Bill of Rights.
Anne Palmer. JP (Retired).
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